Police beating drunk women. - Page 2

Bruv · 03-09-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bugsy

where was the mace?

Three of them were sitting on her....why would they need mace ?

bugsy · 03-09-2007, 03:35 PM

why were they sitting on her?

Sid · 03-09-2007, 04:21 PM

Why were her pants down?

bugsy · 03-09-2007, 04:31 PM

THAT IS THE £1,000,000 QUESTION..YOU BEAT ME TO THE POINT SID!!

Sweetpea · 03-09-2007, 06:28 PM

Why did she not complain? Why did she not document her injuries when they were fresh?

**Will** · 03-09-2007, 07:47 PM

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You idiot!

I don't know if you have seen the footage, but your NARROWMINDED SELF RIGHTGHTEOUS comments have flip my switch....four policepeople sat on this "deranged" woman...as far as i can remember. The one nearest her head decides to incapacitate her by "hitting her with all my natural force" to get her arm around her back... well Will, fucking bollocks my friend you are talking shite.

Another undignified and poorly argued post, and apparently you can't even count! I saw three officers restraining her, and NON of them were sat on her as you put it, and there was a security guard stood close by. Two were holding her down, and one was holding her legs to prevent her from kicking out, as she can clearly be seen doing so before being restrained. The only time there was an officer directly on top of her, was the one she pulled to the ground in her attack.

The officer claims that he hit her on the arm to "deaden" it, I believe that because if those blows had been to her head, she'd have been seriously worse off. He was hitting her to prevent this self confessed aggressive, Violent Criminal, and vandal, from trying to crush his genitals with her hand. He was well within his right to protect himself while trying to restrain her. It's also clear he wasn't using his knuckles but the side of his hand, typical with the actions of someone trying to deaden someone's arm.

But it's more then apparent you know nothing about what you're talking about as usual, and have jumped in without apparently knowing even some of the basic facts.

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I cannot stress my disbelief at how the police hierarchy have said this is/was acceptable.

No, I'm sure it wouldn't be acceptable to you unless he was made to just stand there and endure this attack and have his balls ripped off, because that's the kind of idiot you clearly are.

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These people are trained well and expensively at the tax payers expense to deal with this situation alone, never mind four or five fucking handed..a fucking shower of shit i seldom see, whether i be right or wrong...as bruv would saay pfft!

So it's five now is it? Have you actually watched the video? Or are you just going off the speculation you read in some two-bit tabloid? It's sad that you can't support the police, and would rather side with this skanky little yob. Who claims that she was having an epileptic fit, yet also claims she can't remember any of the incident at all!

I hope it does go to court, because she will quickly be exposed along with the media bandwagon, and yourself; for being the morons you are.

**Will** · 03-09-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid

Why were her pants down?

At a guess, I'd say it has something to do with the fact that she was being held by the legs, but was still trying to squirm free. Are you now suggesting they were trying to rape her?

**Will** · 03-09-2007, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by skinny

Forgive me if i am wrong but i think that is against the law...

It's perfectly lawful to subdue someone who is trying to attack you and cause you personal injury.

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all four of them, who were surposed to be acting within the law on YOUR behalf.....dick

For someone who clearly knows nothing about the case, we're making some rather bit assumptions aren't we. So far it doesn't appear that YOU, or anyone else has proved he did anything unlawful.

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He was trying to lawfully subdue her; he was well within his right to knock her clean out but he didn't

"but he didn't" he tried his fucking damdest you fucking knobhead...jeeez

And your proof of this is what? If he was doing this, surely there would be some major bruising to her head.

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Are you sure about the rights there Will? I would like to see the legislation.

The CPS : Self-Defence and the Prevention of Crime

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I would rather all four of them whilst having her pinned down to the floor nominated a better shitehouse to grab her arm and dislocate her shoulder with broot force.

You really do surprise me for a clever man Will?

Amazing, your moronic response doesn't surprise me in the slightest, along with the name calling and factually challenged statements. Pathetic even by your standards.

Sid · 03-09-2007, 10:15 PM

I knew there'd be some heated debate on this subject, but it's getting a bit personal now.
I'll try to keep a level head.

First, the pants down part. I wasn't trying to suggest they were trying to rape her at all. I can understand why you'd think I was hinting at that but what sprung to my mind was the black man who was left to die on the floor of a police station, he had his pants down as well.
I was thinking more along the lines of it being something like it being rather difficult to run away with your pants around your ankles.

As for the way they subdued the woman I can see where both of you are coming from. Opposite ends of the scale.
I can imagine Will never having had a brush with the law and seeing them as an honorable bunch of gentleman, which they most definitely aren't, whereas Skinny and myself having been on the receiving end of police restraint techniques, me being mostly by German police who all seem to be bigger, but I digress.
If anybody thinks that the police weren't heavy handed they need their head testing. It doesn't take two, let alone three burly policemen to restrain a 9 stone drunken women.
They were getting her back for attacking them, and if you don't think this sort of thing happens Will you're sadly mistaken.

The police in this case were far too heavy handed. They were more than likely sick to the teeth of all the trouble from all the other drunkards on the night and took out their frustrations out on a girl.
In my humble opinion the policeman involved is nothing but a bullying prick who more than likely went into the job to try and be somebody instead of the big, daft, brainless waste of space he must have been before he became a policeman.
Does anyone know a policeman who has friends outside the police force?

It's a job that nobody in his right mind would do. You need to be a special kind of person to do it. Special meaning whatever you want to say it is. It's a job that does need doing but the current police force is full of brainless no-hopers who are only in it for the money and the early pension.
Arseholes doing an arse of a job!

skinny · 03-10-2007, 10:14 PM

Don't just blank this post as a pointless argument Will...i am not drunk and i am not ranting. Although i don't suppose we will ever agree but maybe one of our eye's will be opened.

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Another undignified and poorly argued post, and apparently you can't even count! I saw three officers restraining her, and NON of them were sat on her as you put it, and there was a security guard stood close by. Two were holding her down, and one was holding her legs to prevent her from kicking out, as she can clearly be seen doing so before being restrained. The only time there was an officer directly on top of her, was the one she pulled to the ground in her attack.

Undignified i don't really give a fuck about that in this case, poorly argued you are correct about.

If you watch closely you will see the officers intention is to get her to the ground, maybe not in that manner but that was his intention i can assure you. The usual technique for drunks and general nuisances is for a snide sweep by the officers foot to sweep the feet from underneath the accused...i thought that was what he did but on closer observation he had to shove her to the ground or risk being turned over on to his back

I would hazard a guess that if officers were JUST sat on her they wouldn't do a good job of restraining her. SeAms as you take my writing so literally, which you cannot be blamed for, i will explain. The two officers would be kneeling on limbs and maybe her torso. The security guard YOU say was standing close by was in fact crouching down holding her legs until the third officer casually walked over, got control of her legs so the security guard could let go, which he did and walked away...so in fact there were four people holding her for a moment, only for a moment and one wasn't an officer.

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The officer claims that he hit her on the arm to "deaden" it, I believe that because if those blows had been to her head, she'd have been seriously worse off. He was hitting her to prevent this self confessed aggressive, Violent Criminal, and vandal, from trying to crush his genitals with her hand. He was well within his right to protect himself while trying to restrain her.
It's also clear he wasn't using his knuckles but the side of his hand, typical with the actions of someone trying to deaden someone's arm.

I personally think you believe him just because he is a policeman, very fucking naive to say the least. If there were three officers there the usual practice would be not to let her hands go at all, seAms as she was obviously aggressive and violent pretty fucking stupid in my opinion, but for one to control her hands, which one did, one to control her legs, which one did, and for the third to 'cuff one hand and then between the two officers controlling her hands, bring the two wrists together and join them in the 'cuffs, hey presto the bastards bollocks are safe.

You say it is also clear that that he is hitting her with the side of her hand...well i don't see it very clear at all from Bruv's link or the one i saw on the news and You Tube, furthermore you are proved wrong by the shithose officers own account....

PC Anthony Mulhall
"She now began to kick, spit and made attempts to bite me, as her hands became free she tried to grab handfuls of my genitals and knee and kick me in the same place," he says in his statement. "At this point I struck her as hard as I was physically able with my right fist in an attempt to subdue her. There was no effect so I did it twice more."

A member of the club staff arrived to assist him.

"I released one of her arms in an attempt to get to my handcuffs to restrain her. This proved to be fruitless because as soon as she was released she again tried to grab my genitals and scratch me in the area of my eyes. I struck her again with no visible effect."

Note the mention of his fist and no mention at all of some sort of karate chop.

The first mention of him striking her was about subduing her, he then goes on to say

Toni Comer resisted having her hands put in cuffs, said PC Mulhall, so "I now struck her as hard as I was physically able in an attempt to deaden her arm in the bicep and upper shoulder area so that she could be restrained again. There was no visible effect and in the end I had to use brute force and both hands to bend her arm at the elbow to place her wrist in the cuff."

What is alarming is the fact that whatever blows he was landing on her had no visible effect so he had to use brute force and both hands to 'cuff her, why the fuck didn't he do that in the first place?

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But it's more then apparent you know nothing about what you're talking about as usual, and have jumped in without apparently knowing even some of the basic facts.

I do know what i am talking about because i have been on the end of provoked and unprovoked attacks from police, and the only facts i needed is what i watched on the news...but i am baise against the police so i shouldn't have just jumped in and tried to lambast you for your self righteous stance, although i stand by that comment....i will tell you a couple of personal incidents at your request.

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No, I'm sure it wouldn't be acceptable to you unless he was made to just stand there and endure this attack and have his balls ripped off, because that's the kind of idiot you clearly are.

That's just plain silly, give your head a shake. This is a police officer restraining a female, a lightweight female at that. What i am saying is that he used excessive force, again, i don't think we will ever agree on this Will because you obviously think he didn't.

I don't think he was in any danger of having his balls ripped off, do you seriously believe he was? I know you are no idiot, but that paragraph was a bit idiotic.

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It's sad that you can't support the police, and would rather side with this skanky little yob. Who claims that she was having an epileptic fit, yet also claims she can't remember any of the incident at all!

I am not siding with her, i am saying he broke the law and should be charged, with what i don't know, and slung out of the policeforce...made an example of kind of thing.

No Will, it is sad that you and your kind just accept this sort of behaviour off public servants who are trained for this kind of incident, training that i am sure doesn't entail punching people on the ground, provoked or unprovoked. Which is what i was asking for when i asked for legislation.

It's incidents like this that corrode the trust and respect the public should have in the nations police forces because they are usually whitewashed over, or explained away with intellectual bollox...

I don't know what you class as a yob Will. She was guilty of yobish behaviour i suppose, well, ofcourse, but i think i heard she has one previous conviction from the age of 14 for handling, i don't know what she was handling but just to be awkward i will give her the benefit of the doubt and say she is normally a nice young lady.

Have you got a criminal record Will?

The epileptic fit was most probably a clutching at straws scenario purely for the courts sake, and i would think she was advised to clutch at that straw by her solicitor as a "might have been having an attack/fit"...obviously a load of bolloxs

I would hazard a guess that you are one of the people who thought Rodney King got what he deserved and the police involved were totally innocent

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I hope it does go to court, because she will quickly be exposed along with the media bandwagon, and yourself; for being the morons you are.

That's not very nice is it...calling me a moron?