Police beating drunk women. - Page 3

skinny · 03-10-2007, 09:51 PM

Just a quick word on the pants down bit. I am not saying this happened but it is a definite possibility.

When the police nick some people they undo the suspects trousers and thrust and reach into the crotch area for a good rummage, supposedly looking for drugs...i just think they are gay. In fact when it happened to me, while being handcuffed lying on my back with my hands behind me, and i suggested the officer was gay i got a punch in the face, and when i said i had had better punches off my sister i got knocked clean out and a slightly large bloodied nose.

yeah yeah, i can hear you saying keep your gob shut and maybe i should've. I aint arsed about the digs, my point is that is supposed to be our squeaky clean police force.

There is a long story behind this.....

Sid · 03-10-2007, 10:21 PM

Great couple of posts there Skinny.

There are some good police out there but when the bad ones are found out and then supported by their seniors it sort of makes most people look at all of them in a poor light.

skinny · 03-11-2007, 11:47 AM

Here's a text book arrest, funny that hey when the cameras are there.

Note the control of both hands by two policemen. Also note the knee to the groin when the kid goes down (a favourite of the police is to give you a few digs to the nuts because they know it hurts) Notice the kneeling on the suspect taking, more or less, full control of him on his own.

Also take note of the policeman checking out where the camera was, i would suspect to see whether he could give some one a crack...but i am a cynic

YouTube - Drunk British Teenager resists Arrest

**Will** · 03-11-2007, 11:53 AM

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I knew there'd be some heated debate on this subject, but it's getting a bit personal now.
I'll try to keep a level head.

First, the pants down part. I wasn't trying to suggest they were trying to rape her at all. I can understand why you'd think I was hinting at that but what sprung to my mind was the black man who was left to die on the floor of a police station, he had his pants down as well.
I was thinking more along the lines of it being something like it being rather difficult to run away with your pants around your ankles.

As for the way they subdued the woman I can see where both of you are coming from. Opposite ends of the scale.
I can imagine Will never having had a brush with the law and seeing them as an honorable bunch of gentleman, which they most definitely aren't, whereas Skinny and myself having been on the receiving end of police restraint techniques, me being mostly by German police who all seem to be bigger, but I digress.

So you're going to base you argument now on the assumption that a) I've never had a brush with the law, and b) The police are all exactly the same? Apart from being wrong it's hardly a rock solid argument. Let's stick to the facts shall we. He was in danger of having serious damage done to his testicles, so he hit her as hard as he could on the arm to prevent her from doing so. I don't think this is heavy handed, most people would have knocked her clean out.

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If anybody thinks that the police weren't heavy handed they need their head testing. It doesn't take two, let alone three burly policemen to restrain a 9 stone drunken women.

It does when she's acting out extremely agressively, when they have to try and restrain her as humanely as possibly. One person could have twatted her round the head with his truncheon and she's be out cold.

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They were getting her back for attacking them, and if you don't think this sort of thing happens Will you're sadly mistaken.

Of course it does, but what the officer did was justified. If he was beating her round the head as you suggest, I doubt the other police or even the security would have stood for it. Certainly we'd have heard a different story from one of them by now.

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The police in this case were far too heavy handed. They were more than likely sick to the teeth of all the trouble from all the other drunkards on the night and took out their frustrations out on a girl.
In my humble opinion the policeman involved is nothing but a bullying prick who more than likely went into the job to try and be somebody instead of the big, daft, brainless waste of space he must have been before he became a policeman.
Does anyone know a policeman who has friends outside the police force?

Yep tons, I used to work behind a bar in a golf club and many of it's members were in the force. So the picture you're trying to paint of the police force being nothing more then a bunch of brainless thugs is lost on me, because I know it is simply bollocks.

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It's a job that nobody in his right mind would do. You need to be a special kind of person to do it. Special meaning whatever you want to say it is. It's a job that does need doing but the current police force is full of brainless no-hopers who are only in it for the money and the early pension.
Arseholes doing an arse of a job!

More bollocks plain and simple.

skinny · 03-11-2007, 02:09 PM

Will, you answer a poorly argued undignified post yet you won't answer a better thought out post, i wonder why that is? Could it be because it proves you wrong on a couple of counts or you just couldn't be arsed.

yeah yeah, i know you think every post i write isn't worth reading, so i will try again because you are wrong AGAIN.

from you...

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Let's stick to the facts shall we. He was in danger of having serious damage done to his testicles, so he hit her as hard as he could on the arm to prevent her from doing so. .

The FACTS are he didn't strike her, with what you called the side of the hand CLEARLY, with his fist on the arm to stop her attacking him, he struck her on the arm in an attempt to deaden it and gain control of it to 'cuff her.

He originally struck her with his fist to subdue her which i presume meant incapacitate her. If you watch the video again you will see him get control of her on his own...just before the security guard walks over. The security guard isn't alarmed and casually strolls over and picks the coppers hat up. That doesn't seAm to me like the copper was in a great deal of trouble. Then i think the copper might have said some thing like...excuse me old chap, don't worry about my silly hat i am in fear for my testicles here could you give me a hand...in which case the security guard throws the hat and controls the young ladies legs.

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I don't think this is heavy handed, most people would have knocked her clean out.

I think if there was a riot going on i would have to agree with you here, but i think the PCA might, or should have some thing to say because there are training procedures to be followed.

Most civilians would have just knocked her out, after all if she wants to fight a man like a man the feeling should be reciprocated.

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what the officer did was justified.

I think you are wrong, not just on a personal level but on a legal level...but what do i know.

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If he was beating her round the head as you suggest, I doubt the other police or even the security would have stood for it. Certainly we'd have heard a different story from one of them by now.

Now this just shows how naive you are, imho, so i won't try to argue with you, but you are most definitely wrong.

Take a look at this and see if you think this copper was out of order. Then just have a read up on the case if you can be arsed, which i don't think you will be for fear of your perfect world crumbling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUEwDsWs2rQ

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Yep tons, I used to work behind a bar in a golf club and many of it's members were in the force.

That explains a lot

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So the picture you're trying to paint of the police force being nothing more then a bunch of brainless thugs is lost on me, because I know it is simply bollocks.

I have to admit i don't think the policeforces of our country is just a bunch of brainless thugs. What i will say is that there is a massive amount in the policeforce and when the "goodguys" witness police brutality they say fuck all usually.

The police are a necessity without a shadow of a doubt.

Sid · 03-11-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by skinny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUEwDsWs2rQ

Did you notice the 'accidental' crack of his head on the van as they put him in.

I was looking for it as I was watching, don't ask me why, and lo and behold, there it was.

And he really deserved those kicks while he was on the floor after he'd been restrained!

Sid · 03-11-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Will

So you're going to base you argument now on the assumption that a) I've never had a brush with the law, and b) The police are all exactly the same?

Okay, I may have implied that all the police are the same, they're not, there are some good ones, but the bad ones are the ones I'm bothered about and they seem to get away with murder, literally.

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Apart from being wrong it's hardly a rock solid argument. Let's stick to the facts shall we. He was in danger of having serious damage done to his testicles, so he hit her as hard as he could on the arm to prevent her from doing so. I don't think this is heavy handed, most people would have knocked her clean out.

But he only started hitting her while she was motionless on the floor. If he'd hit her while she was attacking him that would be a different matter.

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If he was beating her round the head as you suggest, I doubt the other police or even the security would have stood for it

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They did in the video posted by Skinny!

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Yep tons, I used to work behind a bar in a golf club and many of it's members were in the force

The question was, do they have friends outside the police force, people who know each other at golf clubs are acquaintances.

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So the picture you're trying to paint of the police force being nothing more then a bunch of brainless thugs is lost on me, because I know it is simply bollocks.

I actually know three policemen. One is a really nice bloke, the second is a bit of a prick, the third is as bent as they come.
And you know some because you used to serve them at the golf club!

skinny · 03-11-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid

[color="DarkSlateBlue"]Did you notice the 'accidental' crack of his head on the van as they put him in.

I was looking for it as I was watching, don't ask me why, and lo and behold, there it was.

Oh yeah, course i did, with the ever witty comment "mind your head", classic, tickles me every time.

Trying to explain why this was wrong would have been very tedious and fruitless to any narrow minded self righteous naive moronic idiot that could not see it for what it was.

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And he really deserved those kicks while he was on the floor after he'd been restrained!

hmmm, correct me if i am wrong but weren't they still restraining him while that brave officer of the law explained how this few boots to his person was part of his training and general procedure...and that his fellow officers would concur.

Not only would the uniformed officers concur but the plain clothed officers keeping the crowd at bay would also concur to his special training.

Sid · 03-11-2007, 05:19 PM

Brave men indeed!

Casper · 03-11-2007, 05:29 PM

Whether the policeman's use of force was justified or not totally depends on certain acts of which the Judge will hear about when the case is taken to court.