tommy

On another forum a US citizen was moaning about the violence in that country. He attributed the rise in violent crime to the fact that schoolchildren are no longer exposed to corporal punishment.

In response, a native of the UK wrote.

"Are you being ironic? Want me to point out that here in the UK, violent crime has decreased year-on-year, pretty much steadily, since the late 50's."

Question:

Ignore the corporal punishment issue. Do you agree with that statement? Has violent crime really decreased since the late 50's?

oswald

I suspect poster was a complete tool ?

tommy

Thanks for you input, Oswald.

It was not a particularly difficult request! Surely someone must have lived in this country long enough to formulate an opinion! It had been my intention to challenge the guy's view. "So and so says..." "This, from a chap in Manchester..." "Matey from Henley-on-Thames thinks..."

I was after real people - real views. Apathy?

Patman Post

I doubt it very much.

There are stats around the place but they are difficult to compare with each other and seem to be massaged according to the view point of who's posting them. Also the definitions seem to change or types of crime moved out of the figures.

If violent crime was decreasing year on year over the decades I doubt it would get the high level attention from government and the authorities or the wide interest in the news media. I don't think we would have so many armed police either.

I know you weren't interested in the point about punishment in schools, but there must be some reason people no longer respect authority or each other. Bullies in authority thrashing kids is probably not the answer, but I wonder what is.

tommy

Pat, thankyou for the reply. Did I mention schools? Not that I am interested!

Patman Post

Probably best not to mention ideas that don't interest you if a response isn't wanted, but doesn't it raise an interesting question?

If we accept there is more violence throughout society today than in the 1950s. '60s, '70s, etc, what are the cause or causes?

The lack of appropriate, effective and meaningful punishment for transgressions could be one reason.

tommy

My apologies! Complete misunderstanding on my part. Blame the alcohol!

I'll have a think!

Caradoc

A perfect example of what is really happening in this country is the Delroy Grant business. This vile racoon has been airbrushed out of the news. He is responsible for up to 200 attacks with his raping of the elderly, men and women. Is it the allowable crime kept quiet, ethnically cleansing of London? About 18 years this putrid cocksucker was allowed to continue. The reason it was kept almost silent is because that disposable gentleman beez blak an dat innit, Death Penalty anyone?

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Patman Post

Strange, I hadn't realised I shouldn't have heard about this or read it in the papers.

Unfortunately, it's been widely covered by the media that reaches N16 and greeted with as much horror as Harold Shipman and his 200-odd elderly victims or the Fred West story or the ongoing revulsion against Peter Sutcliffe or the Moors or the (now rehabilitated) Jamie Bulger Murderers...

It might be enlightening to find out how many non-White v White perpetrators of really violent crimes have been released into the community with new identities provided by the authorities.

Caradoc

Ahhhh but the point being it would be national and international news had the attacker been white. More to the point how many of his victims were black/brown?

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