skinny

NO i don't mean their I.Q.
I caught ten minutes of a phone in debate on the subject today.I have my own views on this topic, that's medical not pharmaceutical, and i would like to here some other responses.
I am pro testing for different reasons.One is they stop, or delay you dying. Hope that gets the ball rolling.

had_enough

Yep.......I am pro testing on animals.
I dont have any hickups on this matter at all.

Will

Personally, I hate the thought of animals being put through effective torture in some cases. But at the same time, if a family member's life depending on a cure created using animal testing, would I shun it? Of course I wouldn't, and I can't imagine many other people would. Having said that, I'd like to know that animal testing was only used when all other possibilities had expired.

Finally, I have nothing but contempt for animal rights protestors.

Bruv

Its a bit of a wasps nest.....
The anti are too anti.....putting the lives of specially bred rats above human life.
While the pros put it that "its a rats or a childs life" a little over stating it.
I believe if responsible people use animals humanely to better the well being of humans, its OK.
The anti brigade say that most tests are of no relevence, as animals have different reactions.
Kept to the minimum and when necassary it can only be good

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skinny

Spot on mate.....straight to the point, no messing about.

Bruv, Will.....you seem to be sitting on the fence. There is no grey area here,there is right or wrong....as far as i can see....There is not many ways of testing animals humanely. Even the psychological(behavioural) tests, people will argue against.

There is a story that drilled this home one day, I digress: There was a gang (group of men we used to work with, 7 of) and they were all mormans, i could be wrong there, but they could not have blood transfusions.

After a couple of years absence from the work game, I came back to work and heard one of the gang swearing his head off, which was also taboo, and commented on it in the booser at the night. I was told that this "gang" had ditched their religion because the head boy's daughter needed a blood transfusion. I said "the f###ing hypocrites" which was met with the reply, something like "are you stupid? your family comes first" which is fair enough. My point was, these idiots had spent many years telling other families that it was wrong, in the name of some stupid religion, to have the transfusion. Therefore letting people die. Yet when it came to them, and their belief was challenged, as towards right and wrong, they crumbled!!!

This isn't a dig at you two it's just a point i'd like to make about serious stuff, no fannying about.

sybylyfyrysms

there's gray area in everything.
whenever two people debate something, they are working in that gray area.
right and wrong = no debate. just war.

wake up and smell the herbal tea.

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Will

You make a fair observation SKinny, wrong but fair. I wouldn't justify using animals to test beauty products, as I don't think it's at all necessary. But testing that could develop a cure to disease, I can live with that. Like I said, if it were a familiy member I certainly wouldn't turn my nose up at it.

On a programme I saw recently, only one animal rights protestor was willing to go as far as to say that they would turn down live saving treatment that had been developed through animal testing. But would they sacrifice one of thier children for this same prinicble? If they do they are sick.

skinny

Just testing

skinny

My apologies Will, where you read pharmaceutical, it should read cosmetical, if that's a word. I agree with you there is no passable reason to test the likes of lipstick on animals.

That one protester you mention, i would like to see if he would stick to his word when it came to his/her child or family.

skinny

[quote=sybylyfyrysms]there's gray area in everything.
whenever two people debate something, they are working in that gray area.
right and wrong
QUOTE]

You are right Sybyl, but i was talking about the answer, I think people call it a "no brainer".

Right or Wrong is just an opinion i suppose, it's the mark of a person which one they choose on certain subjects. Which in turn is open to opinion....must go i'm confusing myself!