The God Delusion

skinny · 01-31-2008, 01:34 PM

This thread is kind of member specific, it is directed at The Relics' sig'...Richard Dawkins for pope.

Relic, we were having a discussion on the forum that closed down and the book, The God Delusion, came up and caused a bit of a stirr.

Me personally agree with Mr Dawkins on the majority of his views. It seAmed a bit of a debating point elsewhere so i thought i would bring it up here and interested to hear your views, and anyone elses, on the book.

Sweetpea · 01-31-2008, 03:12 PM

I haven't read it, but I must. Delusion is what I believe religion to be.

skinny · 01-31-2008, 03:31 PM

Dawkins is sympathetic, as am i, to Robert Pirsigs observation "when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."

'bout right for me...

Sweetpea · 01-31-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by skinny

Dawkins is sympathetic, as am i, to Robert Pirsigs observation "when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."

'bout right for me...

Good one. It's no different to the following of Hitler, just that he was still alive at the time.

The Relic · 02-01-2008, 12:22 AM

If I may I'll just post a very basic case against one of the arguments for the existence of God for the moment, Skinny.

The cosmological argument for the existence of God holds that there has to have been some pre-existing force or intelligence to set this or other universes in motion, a first cause or prime mover.

According to some supporters of this argument the truth of it simply must be recognised, as not to do so is counter intuitive. They somehow succeed in ignoring an obvious extension of that same "intuition": that God, the first cause itself, must therefore have had a first cause to cause itself and so on. In short, if the universe has to have had a God as maker and mover, who the heck made that and set it moving?

Unless you can get on with the idea of gods designing other gods that set each other working like infinite cosmic dominoes, accepting the cosmological argument is far less intuitive than the notion that the universe simply exists because it does.