To claify my postion

**Will** · 11-03-2006, 10:38 AM

I thought it was probably worth mentioning, as I'm sure sooner or later we will attract some BNP members wagging their fingers at me.

I don't believe the BNP should be abolished. I believe in a democratic and free society, and I believe they have a right to have a party. I also believe that having a political outlet, helps prevent the more extreme elements of their group from committing violent crimes.

I might well sticky this, I'll make it clear that my opinions don't reflect those of this forum, and that I don't speak on behalf of everyone here. It's just I know where this topic is concerned, a lot of the same assumptions about anti-nazis get made. So I'd like to address some of these assumptions.

terry witless · 11-03-2006, 01:06 PM

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I also believe that having a political outlet, helps prevent the more extreme elements of their group from committing violent crimes.

you've got the wrong party mate I think your thinking of this one clicky

**Will** · 11-03-2006, 01:15 PM

They're both one and the same thing to be honest. The BNP has many violent criminals working for it, same as N9S, who I have to admit I hadn't even heard of until now. It's laughably ironic though that their slogan is 'Fighting for the Survival of British Culture' when their logo is so obviously of Nazi origin. I wasn't around at the time, but I don't think the Nazis were into preserving British Culture. The other ironic part is this Kevin Quinn like most skinheads racists, idea of culture most likely doesn't extend further than drinking and getting into fights.

terry witless · 11-03-2006, 02:50 PM

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BNP has many violent criminals working for it,

links?

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Originally Posted by Will

as N9S, who I have to admit I hadn't even heard of until now.

I saw them on sky news once, doing demo for some austrian how had slagged off the holocaust, I think their full uk membership had turned up........all twevle of them

**Will** · 11-03-2006, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by terry wit

links?

This isn't a bad link, there are better though.

http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/index.p...link=BNP39.htm

terry witless · 11-03-2006, 05:56 PM

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This article appeared in Searchlight Magazine March 2004.

a less biased source would be better, last conviction 18 years before death

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caught in the middle of a political row between the BNP's former leader John Tyndall, a much convicted hardline nazi

Covictions listed in his obituary in the guaradian....

In 1962 he was jailed for six months for training neo-Nazis.
In 1966 he was jailed after being caught with a gun and bullets.
In 1986 he was sentenced to a year in prison for conspiracy to incite racial hatred.

which seems be a less murky past than say Gerry Adams?

**Will** · 11-06-2006, 11:41 AM

That's interesting that you'd ask for less biased source, then start quoting the Guardian at me, but hey ho.

Regardless, it doesn't matter how biased the source is, it's the facts that are important. You've picked one example, and rubbished it on the basis that his last conviction was 18 years ago. I don't see how old a conviction is makes it any less relevant in this case, all it shows is that he's clearly just been a lot more careful. You wanted examples of violent criminals working for the BNP, you got it, and that was just some of their party members!

terry witless · 11-06-2006, 01:59 PM

I was going as left wing as poss, don't rate wikithingy as some turd offend posted a bag on bollocks....

I reckon that under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 those convictions would be regarded as spent (I ain't a Lawer)

from next the link:-

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LOCAL government rules state that a person is barred from standing for election if they have been sentenced to more than three months in prison, including a suspended sentence, up to five years before an election.

Which party does a wife beating former mercenary sevred 8 of 16 year sentance belong to? After his release he received a conviction for assault in 1985. In 1988 he was convicted of a further three assaults and criminal damage. Police records indicate he has nine previous convictions for 17 offences in total and has used three aliases.

**Will** · 11-06-2006, 02:10 PM

Let's not stray from the point, which is the BNP uses convicted racists of varying degrees to help run the party. If it weren't for the BNP allowing them to have a political outlet, I believe many of them would be deep in the same kind of illegal activities.

They may be using underhanded and despicable tactics now, but it keeps them off the streets, so to speak.

johnyboy · 01-19-2007, 04:05 AM

Just reading this thread and relised how biased it is. So liberal socialist marxist lefty groups are all so lovely are they? Never inclined to get violent or even get a tad agressive at all, are you sure? I would say it is in my reasoned and experianced opinion that it is quite ballanced either side of the centre-regardless. It is always a card leftys play about the 'Evil' right. But the fact is they are all empassioned humans all capable and willing to use the same tactics, and methods, but in accordance to their own particular political inclinations. Too late to start digging up examples now, maybe next time.