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    With Britain now telling Europe to go finance itself after refusing to contribute 25 billion euros towards a rescue package, this is perhaps a more anti-European government than Thatcher's. Even Hitler traded with Stalin. What a shocking reputation the Germans and French will be able to whisper about us Brits.

    Didn't we just spend 20 billion kicking Gadaffi out. Ah, no wonder we can't give any more money away cheaply.
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    Can you already hear the gasps of indignation being expelled, in the Tory heartlands, as the French, and Germans , slowly try to shut off all lines of influence in Europe, to us over the next ten years. The fact is this countries interests ,are and always have been totally governed by the interests of the banks. They have done this ever since the City of London, became all powerful in the world of banks. Promoting our politics with the force of our banks has always worked for us, but will it work in the future? Could it be . We are witnessing the beginning of another struggle for Europes political future ,with , Germany, and France, being opposed by our banks, once more? As Brits we like to believe our success in the past was all achieved with great successful armies. Well if you do believe that, check it out. Naturally the Tory media, which is most of our media will be promoting anti- European feeling on a daily basis, so that Joe Soap, can think it,s his fight. The future of Europe, lies in its people, our futures lay with our banks . And as long as everything appears to be done in a democratic way, we will suck it.
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    Despite his protestations to the contrary, I think David Cameron has set course for the UK's exit from the EU. This may not be a bad thing as the EU seems to be eating itself at the moment. Let's hope we get some seriously cheap oil out Libya after all this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Muckspreader View Post
    Despite his protestations to the contrary, I think David Cameron has set course for the UK's exit from the EU. This may not be a bad thing as the EU seems to be eating itself at the moment. Let's hope we get some seriously cheap oil out Libya after all this.
    I know. It's one of those bitter-sweet moments where you know it's what people wanted, but you don't know how far this is going to go. I don't deny the French and Germans are going to poison us inside the EU, but they are going to get a lot more satisfaction out of it now. With a probably claim for the Malvinas in the Hague our reputation really is taking a hammering under Cameron. I really hope these friends he's made in the Middle East turn out to be the smiling, generous Saudi were all making him out to be, because this country is scambling for oil-friendly countries in a manner I can't believe. How many jobs are there in the petro-chemical industry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack View Post
    Can you already hear the gasps of indignation being expelled, in the Tory heartlands, as the French, and Germans , slowly try to shut off all lines of influence in Europe, to us over the next ten years.... Naturally the Tory media, which is most of our media will be promoting anti- European feeling on a daily basis, so that Joe Soap, can think it,s his fight. The future of Europe, lies in its people, our futures lay with our banks . And as long as everything appears to be done in a democratic way, we will suck it.
    I think this exemplifies the fact the conservatives have managed to burn bridges into Europe on both sides. The likelihood of Germany and France, if not most European countries, forgetting this snub is highly unlikely. With France facing a new Socialist President the ability of Hollande and Cameron finding a common tongue is highly unlikely. All Cameron has to do now is goose Sigmar Gabriel for the breech to be complete. But then, we have our new friends in the Middle-East.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Muckspreader View Post
    Despite his protestations to the contrary, I think David Cameron has set course for the UK's exit from the EU. This may not be a bad thing as the EU seems to be eating itself at the moment. Let's hope we get some seriously cheap oil out Libya after all this.
    Leaving the EU would not be that great after all. No matter how much you dislike brussels, the EU would seriously not let us leave and just keep all the good stuff. Everything related to free trade, capital, labour and such. Anything that hampers the trade and economic exchange with other European countries would not be good news for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tm89 View Post
    Leaving the EU would not be that great after all. No matter how much you dislike brussels, the EU would seriously not let us leave and just keep all the good stuff. Everything related to free trade, capital, labour and such. Anything that hampers the trade and economic exchange with other European countries would not be good news for us.
    Firstly, the principle of self-determination is a human right backed-up by the UN. If the UK wanted to leave the EU (and I suspect the majority of us do want to leave, though we are denied a referendum), there is nothing the EU could do about it.

    Secondly, if the UK was outside the EU we would still be a member of the EEA (European Economic Area). Norway has repeatedly rejected EU membership, but is nonetheless a member of EEA. EEA members enjoy a free trade relationship with EU countries. Even Switzerland, which is not an EEA member, has a free trade relationship with Europe. Are you suggesting that purely out of spite, Europe would throw us out of the EEA if we left the EU? The country which runs the EU is Germany and it simply doesn't make decisions on this basis. Germany's first priority is always its own economy and banning free trade with the UK would be enormously damaging to them. We are a far bigger economy than either Norway or Switzerland. Of course Germany and the other Europeans would whinge about us leaving, but they would get over it. Decisions about our future relationship with Europe would be based purely on economics. At the end of the day, I suspect our relationship with Europe in the long term would be far better outside the EU than within it.

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