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    This Abdal Salaam is an abosolute joke xxxx

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    Well I dislike religion. As Islam is the most controversial and and uncompromising religion of them all, thats the one I dislike the most. I think it's out dated and old fashioned. The majority of countries that base their beliefs and laws through Islam seem to be 3rd world countries. Is this coincidence or is islam something that withstircts progress, growth and development within a country. I am not racist. I simply dont believe in coincidences. I sympathise with the EDL only because it's the only extremist group I can just slightly relate to. It's a shame their all idiots.
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    My impression of the EDL is that they are pretty much a bunch of low-life thugs like the BNP, although on the face of things they seem slightly less extreme (for instance, welcoming non-white members). They do seem very heavily focussed on Muslims, and whilst I have to be honest and agree with Andeeg in saying that I don't like Islam as a religion or a philosophy, I will always support Muslims against prejudice or violence from such groups.

    I think that whilst we rightly condemn the EDL and BNP, we shouldn't forget far-left groups as well. "Unite against Fascism" seem to be a professional group of trouble-makers who follow the EDL and BNP around looking for a fight, and who draw a lot of support from from the Socialist Workers Party, a party who promotes class-hatred and class-warfare. Not much better than the EDL or BNP then!

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    What is your opinion of the English Defence League pakistani-hottie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eatmywords View Post
    What is your opinion of the English Defence League pakistani-hottie?
    Scum and that Abdal Salaam is a loser xxx

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistani-hottie View Post
    Scum and that Abdal Salaam is a loser xxx
    Do you think they should have this public platform to speak their views?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eatmywords View Post
    Do you think they should have this public platform to speak their views?

    No why should they attack communities who have never done anything to them. They are not doing themselves any favours..

    I believe in the cultural activity between faith groups xxxxx
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    I don’t think there’s anything I can say about the EDL that hasn’t already been said. So perhaps I should come at this from a different angle.

    As I looked into the EDL through the presses it became obvious the EDL were pretty much a group that were becoming more and more defined through the press than they were through their own leadership and programmes. Articles like "EDL march banned", or "EDL march in pictures", or "EDL protest in Luton", really sort of speak for themselves. But when you get into the articles they really are no better than the ranting rhetoric of the The Daily Mail. That is, if the meeting goes as many expect it should. When the meeting does not go as the presses planned, then they are left in an objective flux and then have to rely upon more baser reporting skills; such as telling the truth.

    Indeed, the anti-fascists often come off just as badly in many of these articles, if not worse, as they provoke and antagonise what are essentially skinheads with a blunt axe to grind. You have to admire these intimidating-looking, mainly, men, who exercise remarkable restraint in the face of these wimpy middle-class antagonists who seek “to prevent EDL supporters from getting off trains.”. I don't know how you would feel if a middle-class student prevented you from alighting at your stop, but after a first demand I would probably punch the little sod in the face. For the lower-class supporters of the EDL though it is a day out and an event where they can direct their fears and their hatred, rather than let it all become bottled-up due to the news and media articles on race. Many people take their children and their wives. So I cannot see how they are embarking on a journey with the intention of putting their wives and children at risk, unless the EDL are expressly telling them to bring them. This, in turn, would put the UAF in a further negative light if they can see these wives and children and are still prepared to enflame and antagonise these shaven-headed racists to the point of reacting. After all, what do the student-supporters of the UAF care if a few children get hurt, just as long as they politically point-score their agenda over a non-political group? This may sound unfair, and even bordering upon my advocating the EDL, but far from it. I’m merely tarring the UAF with the same brush. The sole agenda of the UAF at these meetings is to make the EDL look as bad as possible for the media. This therefore indicates their programme is more orchestrated than the EDL, seeing as it doesn’t take too much to destroy the intentions of the meeting. You then start to wonder whether the EDL, a group that has never gained more than 2-3000 support at any arranged meeting, are merely the medicine ball of another person or group’s design.

    The problem with the EDL is, they didn’t begin as a hateful concept, as such. They began as a concept to challenge protest directed towards British institutions, which is no bad thing in itself. In 2010 Islam4UK proposed an anti-war demonstration in the village of Wootton Bassett, along a route that had traditionally been used to parade the dead soldiers from Afghanistan. Al-Muhajiroun caused anger by calling for members to parade through the Wiltshire town carrying up to 500 coffins symbolising the Muslim dead. This is what spurred Tommy Robinson to form a group to protest against this kind of protest. But is a protest that is called to highlight the deaths of Muslims at the hands of the British and the US really equitable with a protest that is designed to curtail the rights and freedoms of Muslims? If the EDL were to get some of their ideals passed through government then such protests would not be allowed by Law, whereas the further protests of the quickly politicising EDL would continue unabated: if Muslims existed in the UAF, would their protest be banned?

    You should therefore not come to these articles with a preconception, much like I did when I examined this question. We are led to believe the EDL is Islamaphobic, racist and apolitical. Yet in pretty much all reporting cases their programme is usually overlooked for the expectant trouble the cameras are there to record. Therefore when trouble does not come, the reporter has no option but to disassociate that preconception and report the facts, and therefore allow us to formulate our own truth: “EDL leader Stephen Lennon, told the crowd they were part of a "tidal wave of patriotism" sweeping the UK. He launched a broad attack on Islam and the UK's Muslim communities and said mainstream politicians were failing the working class.” Overall everyone had a jolly day out, and everyone’s views and opinions were made felt: “About 200 Muslim residents staged a peaceful counter-demonstration in the Bury Park area. Faisal Khan, 21, who works in a local restaurant, said: "It feels really good to be marching altogether as one community. We are all here to show that Islam is a religion of peace and everyone is welcome to join us."” Is this a better society that allows all opinions fair expression without the need for violence? No one is saying the EDL is a misunderstood group of like-minded individuals, no, not at all. It is a group of like-minded nationalists. If you ask anyone what it means to be British, you will perhaps get a range of nominal responses, and all these groups are doing is harnessing, if not promoting, what the general public do not understand about racial issues.

    There are however plenty of people who do understand racial issues. When you look about the crowd of the EDL you will quickly appreciate it is relatively white, lower-to-working class in composition, and based on many videos we have published on Talk-UK, they seem relatively uneducated; I am sure there are many very well educated people in the EDL, only they don’t seem to gravitate towards the camera as easily as those we have published. So I think it is fair to assume it is doubtful you will find too many middle- and upper-class people in the front-ranks of the EDL, but I suppose you don’t see too many ethnic minorities in their communities. This doesn’t mean the middle- and upper-class are against the EDL, but their support is perhaps more subjective than objective. “Wednesday's front page of the Daily Star has been widely seen as an endorsement of the English Defence League. Roy Greenslade of the Guardian called it "a clear piece of propaganda on behalf of the EDL", while the Independent's Ian Burrell asked, "Has the Daily Star decided to back the EDL?"”.

    So we can see how the subjective moves into the objective, without any tacit support from the top. The Star can say they are only representing the views of their readers, and if it is true that “98 per cent of readers feared Britain was becoming a Muslim state” the I suppose you can hide behind such a claim. But if the paper is promoting those views and those views are coming from The Star readership, then what kind of objective reporting is this paper involved with? Is it solely confined to its readership, as much as the Nazi policies were confined to Nazi Party supporters? What lies behind Richard Desmond’s decision to remove Express Newspapers from the control of the PCC is anybody’s guess, but it certainly seems the amount of control he is forced to accept is disproportionate to the amount of freedom his papers wish to print.

    In many ways it is the media fanning the flames of these organisations, by either supporting [indirectly] or denouncing [vociferously] their ideals and their actions. I examined a number of EDL articles in the Daily Mail and indeed I was rather surprised by how many articles existed. What was grossly unfair and what I consider a misrepresentation of the facts were the number of stories that were only incidental to the EDL. Consider the story of Asian youths sent to Blackpool to avoid clashes with EDL. But what do you expect from a vile paper that hides their reporters’ names, well only the reporters who write these vile articles. And indeed, in some cases articles are going unnamed. So if you have a problem with the article, or are suspicious of its intent and motives, you will not be able to find out, or follow, who that reporter is. I don’t deny Daily Mail will be able to provide the correct author on demand, but doesn’t it show the spinelessness of this pseudo-racist paper, and a paper that is no less cowardly than the leader of the EDL, who only feels confident airing his views in public surrounded by skinheads and drunken yobs? A paper that only feels confident publishing such anonymous articles because it has some legal protection to do so? And they continue to scribe such rubbish because their readership support it?

    The EDL's strategy is incorrect. What they should be doing is taking out the police lines first. This could be achieved if the EDL were to take say 50 oozies with them and take the police out with them. Once the police were out of the way then they could get on and do what ever it is they wanted to do up there.” - Daily Mail reader comment.

    And how far is the EDL being promoted to defend British rights and freedoms when they are adopting Muslim traditions, or raping Muslim traditions, because they can?



    I'm not sure how the wearing of a maligned burkah is defending English rights, and is in many ways the promoting of it. Naturally it is a perverted attempt to incite a reaction from the Muslim community. This took place in Blackburn pakistani-hottie, and I believe it falls within the aegis of Lancashire Telegraph. Perhaps you may have been communicating with this chap on the forum? Indeed, at another meeting in Blackburn the group’s provocative nature seemed as far from defending English values but rather attacking other people’s cultural values. “Some marchers concealed their faces with a St George's mask, while others covered their heads with mock Burqas. Others sparked flares and carried banners, some carrying the Star of David.". We should pay respects to Chris Lawrence of the Daily Mail for writing this article with some emotion and providing comment on what he was seeing here, and for not hiding behing the anonymity the Daily Mail is so quick to provide other journalists who write in a different style.
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    Eatmy, you start your post by giving a fairly balanced appraisal of the EDF, and also the UAF (which incidently is supported by your mates Livingstone and Galloway, and is little more than a cover for the Socialist Worker Party). However, as so often with you, you end up with a rant against the Tory press. Do you have any evidence that the Mail is a "pseudo-racist" paper? I don't read it myself but I don't think that accusation is fair. Is the Guardian a pseudo-racist paper for its lack of support of English values in that case? The Mail pretty much allows comments on any article on its web site with little moderation, so picking out the comment of some right-wing loon and claiming this is typical of its readership is hardly fair either. It is equivalent to using the rantings of Caradoc to characterise the members of this forum!

    Incidently, you should be careful not to use the words "British" and "English" interchangeably as they mean very different things. Clearly the EDF are English and not British nationalists, hence the name. As far as I am concerned, a British person is a Scotsman, a Welshman, a Cornishman or possibly even a Breton from NW France. It is not, however, an adjective that refers to me, except in a geographical and legal sense.
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    You don't think me fair and balanced? How dare you! How dare you! I'm always fair and balanced. I gave that BFP supporter space and time to orate their political programme, before I banned them for posting racially unpleasant links. I gave Caradoc too much time and space before he racially abused Pakistanis. How fair and balanced must I be?

    I thought I'd come at this from a different angle than the usual "they're only supporting English rights" or "they're just a bunch of racist thugs". I just thought I'd highlight who is defining the EDL and from my perspective it certainly isn't the EDL. If you think I'm being unfair about the Daily Mail then consider the amount of reports on the EDL. I don't think I'm being unfair at all. I even compliment one Daily Mail reporter at the end for their actual reporting style.
    Last edited by eatmywords; 06-22-2012 at 09:53 AM.
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