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    Quote Originally Posted by Patman Post View Post
    PS — I wonder if they can be pursued for some money to pay for the expense of the trials....
    Why should they? It wasn't their decision to pursue this matter to the crown court - it was the CPS's. For most of us, this would have been dealt with at a magistrates court. They have already been punished out of all proportion to the crime in any case. I would also argue that prison is a far more serious punishment for middle-class people than for the normal class of people who end up there. Chris Huhne has apparently already been abused and bullied by other inmates - something that would hardly have happened if, for example, he was a hoodie sent to jail for knifing someone (if any of our soft left-wing judges would actually jail a hoodie for such an offense!!!).

    There is a good argument on human rights grounds that a seperate prison (a small one would be sufficient) should be built for middle-class or celebrity prisoners. Apparently such a jail exists near Los Angeles for people like Winona Ryder, Lindsey Lohan and Robert Downey Jnr whenever they go to jail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northumbrian View Post
    Why should they? It wasn't their decision to pursue this matter to the crown court - it was the CPS's.
    But it was their decision to lie about it, and it certianly was Huhne's decision to bombard the court with wasteful applications to get the case chucked out. I believe he delayed the case by a year through such actions, and only admitted guilt at the last possible moment

    Quote Originally Posted by Northumbrian View Post
    I would also argue that prison is a far more serious punishment for middle-class people
    Boo-hoo If you can't do the time, don't do the crime (and drag out the court proceedings)

    And Chris "multi-millionaire" Huhne is not middle class like most

    Quote Originally Posted by Northumbrian View Post
    Chris Huhne has apparently already been abused and bullied by other inmates - something that would hardly have happened if, for example, he was a hoodie sent to jail for knifing someone
    Hahahaha! You think the working classes don't get bullied in prison!? That's just silly. "Knife weilding hoodies" are more likely to get bullied as their kind more likely to be the ones doing the bullying, jockeying for 'alpha male' status.


    Quote Originally Posted by Northumbrian View Post
    There is a good argument on human rights grounds that a seperate prison (a small one would be sufficient) should be built for middle-class or celebrity prisoners. Apparently such a jail exists near Los Angeles for people like Winona Ryder, Lindsey Lohan and Robert Downey Jnr whenever they go to jail.
    And that's been a real deterrant for her hasn't it . . . I think the reason LA has such a prison is not so much for the safety of the celeb, but so that normal prisoners can't make a quick buck selling their story to a tabloid

    There is absolutely no justification to segregate the prison population by class. None whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northumbrian View Post
    ...I would also argue that prison is a far more serious punishment for middle-class people than for the normal class of people who end up there...

    There is a good argument on human rights grounds that a seperate prison (a small one would be sufficient) should be built for middle-class or celebrity prisoners. Apparently such a jail exists near Los Angeles for people like Winona Ryder, Lindsey Lohan and Robert Downey Jnr whenever they go to jail.
    Oh boy, the second best laugh I've had this week

    So what you are saying is prison for poor people is a walk in the park
    Faced with certain disaster, defiance is the only answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eatmywords View Post
    Oh boy, the second best laugh I've had this week

    So what you are saying is prison for poor people is a walk in the park
    No, eatmywords. What he means is , that prison is for poor working class people, people who have already learnt about suffering in their day to day existences. People of what he sees as , middle class, deserve, and should have something somewhat better than Prison, because they are thought by him to be more refined in every way, and should not have to rub shoulders with the real scum.
    I don,t know whether to laugh or cry.

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    As usual, Eatmy and Mack, you misquote and misinterpret what I have said. If you break the law then, whatever your background, you should go to prison and the facilities (or as I would prefer, lack of facilities) should be the same for everyone. However, I believe there should be segregated prisons (or wings within prisons) for prisoners of a certain background where it makes it more likely they will face bullying and humiliation from other inmates. The punishment is supposed to be about loss of liberty, not abuse and humiliation. It is an abuse of their human rights to force middle-class or celebrity prisoners to face additional punishment, that working-class prisoners do not experience.

    If you think a week in prison for the likes of Chris Huhne will be the same experience as a week in prison for an uneducated, violent, council-estate hoodlum, then obviously I am in the wrong, and I accept you are right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northumbrian View Post
    As usual, Eatmy and Mack, you misquote and misinterpret what I have said. If you break the law then, whatever your background, you should go to prison and the facilities (or as I would prefer, lack of facilities) should be the same for everyone. However, I believe there should be segregated prisons (or wings within prisons) for prisoners of a certain background where it makes it more likely they will face bullying and humiliation from other inmates. The punishment is supposed to be about loss of liberty, not abuse and humiliation. It is an abuse of their human rights to force middle-class or celebrity prisoners to face additional punishment, that working-class prisoners do not experience.
    You are working under the illusion that working class prisoners do not get abused and humiliated in prison. They do. It may not manifest itself in the exact same way it does for middle class people, with the same name-calling etc, but to try to go down the road of evening that out, is the way to madness. Should gingers be segregated as well because they will be exposed to additional bullying than others?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northumbrian View Post
    If you think a week in prison for the likes of Chris Huhne will be the same experience as a week in prison for an uneducated, violent, council-estate hoodlum, then obviously I am in the wrong, and I accept you are right.
    If you think any two people will have the same experience in prison, then you are kidding yourself. Everyone has 'differences' which bullies prey upon

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    Vicky Pryce has been transferred to an open prison after spending four nights in Holloway. This will undoubtedly be more to her bourgeois liking. The "prison" contained within a grade II listed building, set into 34 hectares and has its own rare breed farm, should be a wonderful change of pace for the perjuring criminal.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ma...nt-open-prison
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    Quote Originally Posted by eatmywords View Post
    This will undoubtedly be more to her bourgeois liking.
    I'm so happy to be what Eatmy calls a bourgeois.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northumbrian View Post
    I'm so happy to be what Eatmy calls a bourgeois.
    I know Northumbrian, prisons for the poor and holiday camps for everyone else
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    Quote Originally Posted by eatmywords View Post
    I know Northumbrian, prisons for the poor and holiday camps for everyone else
    To be serious eatmy, any prisoner who had not committed a violent or sexual crime, would be expected to be moved to an open prison when they only have a few months to serve. There was no special treatment for Vicky Pryce here, I'm afraid ... so get your socialist hackles down.

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