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    I was out last night, only to shocked by how much this country is turning into a big brother state. A group of us (6 girls and 3 boys) went out clubbing. On entering the club the boys were searched, our I.D was digitally scanned along with our fingerprints being digitaly scanned to be put on a bloody database. All in the name of fighting crime. The girls only showed ID. I told the bouncer i wasnt happy and he replied "it was club policy". Its club policy to have my details stolen on a sexually discriminative basis apparently. Unfortunately it was someones birthday so didnt have much choice but to comply with the "policy". This is just the start. They put the scanners in clubs and pubs so people get comfortable and familiar with it. Then they start popping up all over the place. I give it 2years before you start seeing these things in train stations. Is this something we just need to get use to or is there seriously something wrong with this country?
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    This is hideous, personally I'd not go there again if I were you.

    Was the finger scanning done for the Club's own use or were they being shared with the police? Did you have to sign any disclosure on what they'd use all this information would be used for, as in who they'd be sharing it with?

    You're right though, we will continue to be treated more and more like criminals in the UK, they take away our rights a little at a time and we do nothing about it.
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    It would seem to be that this club is breaking the law on two counts. Firstly, by insisting males undergo these additional "security" checks, but not females, this is clearly a case of sexual discrimination. This is not the same as the time-honoured practice of a bouncer turning away males but letting in females. They could always wriggle out of that one by claiming that the bouncer was making a subjective decision regarding whether someone appeared to be a trouble-maker/intoxicated, and not discriminating on the basis of sex. Clearly not here, however.

    Secondly, and I may be wrong here, but I don't believe any establishment open to members of the public has the right to demand customers undergo fingerprint checks before admission. As far as I am aware, only the police are allowed to do this. In our technological age, with identity criminals using ever more sophisticated techniques, biometric data about people can be incredibly sensitive. I certainly wouldn't want my fingerprints getting into the wrong hands. What the hell would they need your fingerprints for anyway? As Will said, there should at the very least have been some sort of disclosure notice to sign giving your consent, and indicating who they would share your biometric data with.

    I personally would have made the decision not to enter the club, although I can appreciate you were out with a group and didn't want to spoil the evening. If I was you I would write to the club asking for a clarification of their policy regarding both sexual discrimination and biometric scanning. If you are not satisfied and believe they are acting illegally, then contact the licensing department of the local council. Its a hassle but then if people don't stand up against injustice, nothing will ever change.
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    No information on what they do with the details or how long they keep it for. The machines look expensive so I can't imagine the clubs are adopting this policy off there own back. Im going to send the club an email and ask a few questions. I was in a bar earlier in the night that had the same machine but they only used it to scan my driving license. At the time I didn't relise it took finger prints too. This isn't just happening in a one off case in some night club. The ID scan isn't only there to register your age but records who you are. That in itself is a concern to me.
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    I think this is the problem with privatisation. They say they are security checks, but for who's security? Everyone, in Northumbrian's opinion, needs to be fingered before they enter the club, but not to a degree where their civil liberties are unnecessarily manipulated. I have worked in a nightclub and the people who work there are really not the kind of people you would want in possession a very unique piece of personal information. Is this information passed/sold on to any government body?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eatmywords View Post
    I think this is the problem with privatisation.
    Hmmm ... so we need to nationalise night clubs and bring them under state control. Are you actually serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by eatmywords View Post
    They say they are security checks, but for who's security? Everyone, in Northumbrian's opinion, needs to be fingered before they enter the club, but not to a degree where their civil liberties are unnecessarily manipulated.
    Why don't you actually read what people write? I actually said that nightclubs taking customers fingerprints was unnecessary and probably illegal, and that Andreeg should probably make a complaint to the licensing department. I care far more about civil liberties than you do.

    Quote Originally Posted by eatmywords View Post
    I have worked in a nightclub and the people who work there are really not the kind of people you would want in possession a very unique piece of personal information. Is this information passed/sold on to any government body?
    Typical. You are worried about the evil government having your fingerprints. Most of us would be more concerned about the nightclub passing on our details to organised criminals or identity thieves.

    The irony of course is that in the kind of heavy-handed oppressive socialist system which you espouse, taking everyones fingerprints, retina scan and DNA would be exactly the sort of thing the government would want to do.

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    Northumbrian, you are undoubtedly the most British of Bulldogs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eatmywords View Post
    Northumbrian, you are undoubtedly the most British of Bulldogs.
    And proud of it (though I prefer "English" to "British").

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    Quote Originally Posted by eatmywords View Post
    I think this is the problem with privatisation.
    Did you mean to say privacy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rook View Post
    Did you mean to say privacy?
    I suppose it could be a little of both. At one point we would never consider fingerprinting technology in such private enterprises, and much of this kind of business would have been heavily regulated and controlled by the government. But more and more these kinds of technology are becoming standard in security operations of a business. Therefore research and production must have capitalised into commercial markets who are buying this technology in an effort to improve their business in some way. This club is trying to improve its business by improving its security methods, so ultimately this machine is working in the interest of the club. Seeing as a business's mode is to make profit, then this system must be doing something to assist in the generation of profit.

    Privatisation is to merely allow control to be relaxed on formerly controlled companies. Consider how well the rail network has improved since government control has relaxed, and the profits. It's always equitable.
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