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    As if we didn't know, porn censorship is the thin end of the wedge. It's actually pretty terrifying what the next step is.

    The controls being forced into ISPs won't just include porn but:

    ☑ violent material
    ☑ extremist and terrorist related content
    ☑ anorexia and eating disorder websites
    ☑ suicide related websites
    ☑ alcohol
    ☑ smoking
    web forums
    ☑ esoteric material
    ☑ web blocking circumvention tools

    As this link says https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog...nto-censorship, this system is designed to fail. What happens when opting out proves to be completely ineffectual? That's right it will become compulsory!

    THIS web site will be censored and many others websites, it's getting a little fucking scary now. Look how vague the definitions are above, "esoteric material?!" Not only will sites that promote communication and debate be censored, but apparently any site that has a different perspective or opinion on anything the government deems outside the norm! I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it for myself.

    Every day governments around the world are working to censor the internet, fucking dark times. I implore you all to sign this petition, and any similar one's you find.
    http://www.change.org/en-GB/petition...internet#share

    https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitio...of-pornography
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    Here's the most popular petition I've seen so far.

    https://submissions.epetitions.direc...etitions/51746
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    Oh dear, that is an Orwellian list of things preventing our society moving into Utopian status. I think people will just stop using the internet if it becomes over-regulated, and then the economy will have to lurch once again in the opposite direction. I seem to remember when Sweden introduced IPRED traffic fell by 30%. I'm sure the capitalists profiting from this medium will no doubt stand up for the free market, and the expression of ideas.

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    Keep your hair on folks. I know you all hate Cameron, but just because some fringe left-wing group has produced a list of things it believes Cameron intends to censor from the internet, it doesn't mean it bears any resemblance to reality. Cameron's problem, as his recent foray into internet pornography has revealed, is not that he wants to censor the internet, but that he doesn't really understand the internet.

    In any case, there is a strong libertarian wing of the Tory party that strongly opposes censorship, or indeed any state interference into our lives. Lets not forget that the last Labour government brought in more "nanny state" legislation than any government before or since. Thanks to Labour, we cannot smoke in a public bar, or express an opinion about immigration in a public place. That is real life censorship, not just internet censorship.

    I hope we would all agree that the internet cannot entirely be a "free-for-all", and that some things such as child pornography or terrorist bomb-making sites do need to be censored. The question is always where the boundaries lie and who decides the boundaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northumbrian View Post
    Keep your hair on folks. I know you all hate Cameron, but just because some fringe left-wing group has produced a list of things it believes Cameron intends to censor from the internet, it doesn't mean it bears any resemblance to reality. Cameron's problem, as his recent foray into internet pornography has revealed, is not that he wants to censor the internet, but that he doesn't really understand the internet.
    Sorry don't buy it, he's actually (surprise surprise) ignored his own government's recommendations which was to have far less stringent recommendations and gone for something much more strict. The original plans were for an 'opt in' scheme, it is David Cameron personally who decided that people should opt out, thus declaring themselves a filthy pervert. Perhaps you'd also like to explain why we need restrictions on all the other subjects? I thought this was about porn?

    In any case, there is a strong libertarian wing of the Tory party that strongly opposes censorship, or indeed any state interference into our lives. Lets not forget that the last Labour government brought in more "nanny state" legislation than any government before or since. Thanks to Labour, we cannot smoke in a public bar, or express an opinion about immigration in a public place. That is real life censorship, not just Internet censorship.
    Ahh I see, because Labour was a nanny state government, that means it's OK for Cameron to censor the Internet. Makes sense!

    I hope we would all agree that the internet cannot entirely be a "free-for-all", and that some things such as child pornography or terrorist bomb-making sites do need to be censored. The question is always where the boundaries lie and who decides the boundaries.
    Here's a better idea, why not use the wasted money on stupid initiatives like this to catch more child pornographers and paedophile rings? Oh, and you can read on Wikipedia the formulas for many types of explosives, I take it you're happy for Wikipedia to be censored?

    Can I also ask you this, how many less child pornographers, and how many less paedophiles do you think there will be as a result of censorship? No, these things have no place on the Internet, but to pretend that censorship is a solution to anything is utterly ridiculous.
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    I'm against censorship as much as you are Will, with the usual caveats regarding child pornography and terrorist material. However, I think what we have here is an alarmist article written by an alarmist anti-censorship group. The list of things shown in the article was not a government "wish list" of things they want to remove from the internet, but rather the standard list of options you are presented with when installing parental-control software. Note that anyone can install this software if they wish to, without any compulsion from the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northumbrian View Post
    I'm against censorship as much as you are Will, with the usual caveats regarding child pornography and terrorist material. However, I think what we have here is an alarmist article written by an alarmist anti-censorship group. The list of things shown in the article was not a government "wish list" of things they want to remove from the internet, but rather the standard list of options you are presented with when installing parental-control software. Note that anyone can install this software if they wish to, without any compulsion from the government.
    I don't think you've quite understood what Cameron wants here. This isn't some optional software you can install for yourself. No this is what Dave wants as standard for everyone on the Internet, if you want to look into any of the subjects mentioned above (including "esoteric things"), you need to opt-in to do so. In other words, you need to actively register your interest in alcohol, smoking, anorexia, terrorism, "esoteric things," porn, etc.. With RIPA, GCHQ, and the coming 'Snoopers Charter,' you can guarantee Dave will make sure that your every activity on the net will be logged. Simply by opting in you may be giving Police all the reason they need to mark you down as suspicious and worthy of "investigation." If that doesn't terrify you, then nothing will.
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    What scares me the most isn't the proposed Internet restrictions, but that people will allow it to happen. When Snowden revealed that the NSA & GCHQ were systematically recording data, I really thought they would be massive public outrage and protests etc..but nothing. Congress has actually recently voted for this severe breach of privacy to continue.

    I understand that they are evil people using the Internet but most of us are not pedophiles or terrorists, so why are we getting treated like we are? The big question is, Why are people not getting mad? The only group that are actively defending the freedom of the Internet, Anonymous, have been conviently classed as a terrorist group by the FBI. Has this what it's come down to? If you choose to fight to protect your own freedom and liberty, your a terrorist? I believe it's the people that force you to fight for your freedom and liberty that are terrorists.
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    Anonymous seem to be a loose collection of geeky irritants who believe they should run the world. As long as we can opt out of any parental controls imposed by our ISPs I am content to let the anti-porners have their way. I don't need a bunch of gamers and undergrads fighting my cause...

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