History Sub thread

[Pie'n'mash]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

Mandela..

Why? We all know why!

Nah!

[Pie'n'mash]

Originally Posted by easyg

Round and Round and round we go, where she lands nobody knows

What's that mean wally?

[poppy]

unfortunately, I think that all through history the bad is remembered rather than the good.
Ivan the Treble, Attila the Hun, Vlad the Impaler.
So sadly I think Adolf Hitler will be the one name remembered from the 20 century,
and holocaust day will ensure he is never forgotten.

[easyg]

Originally Posted by poppy

unfortunately, I think that all through history the bad is remembered rather than the good.
Ivan the Treble, Attila the Hun, Vlad the Impaler.
So sadly I think Adolf Hitler will be the one name remembered from the 20 century,
and holocaust day will ensure he is never forgotten.

Not to mention Josef Stalin and Vladimir Lenin. Their atrocities far out weighed those caused by Hitler. Lets not forget that we made a pact with Stalin, who caused the death of millions of Russians pre WW11 and also during.

[The Relic]

It was the Norman Invasion. There's a very good reason why the one date most people can remember is 1066: it's because the invasion and the years of subjugation and looting at the hands of the Normans that followed had a very special role in forming the British persona.

The British have since carried a consciousness of being a separate island state at their very core. It was behind their resistance of Napoleon and Hitler; these days it's a component of resistance of the EC and fears regarding immigration.

[poppy]

Originally Posted by easyg

Not to mention Josef Stalin and Vladimir Lenin. Their atrocities far out weighed those caused by Hitler. Lets not forget that we made a pact with Stalin, who caused the death of millions of Russians pre WW11 and also during.

agreed, but the question was who will be remembered, they are nearly forgotten already, wheras Hitler and Eva cut a romantic figure, couple that with a royal link to the abdicated king of England, and holocaust day remembered every year. Cant think of that without thinking Hitler. I think he will be most remembered.

[The Relic]

Originally Posted by Pie'n'mash

Of course it's history, yesterday is history!

The present is history in the making; the future is where we both recreate and reinvent remembrances of this present according to our own prejudices and call it history.

[Pie'n'mash]

Hi Relic,

I see you are an original forum member, pleased to meet you.

Do you have an opinion on who will be remembered the most in the 20th century?

The present is history in the making; the future is where we both recreate and reinvent remembrances of this present according to our own prejudices and call it history.

Yes, it makes the whole subject fascinating don't you think?

[easyg]

Originally Posted by The Relic

It was the Norman Invasion. There's a very good reason why the one date most people can remember is 1066: it's because the invasion and the years of subjugation and looting at the hands of the Normans that followed had a very special role in forming the British persona.
I am Of French extraction, and I dislike in the main the French, not hate, I don't hate anybody or anything. I think in essence that is why we will always oppose each other.

The British have since carried a consciousness of being a separate island state at their very core. It was behind their resistance of Napoleon and Hitler; these days it's a component of resistance of the EC and fears regarding immigration.

I totally agree, I fear immigration levels, for the very fact that it is now affecting my ability to earn a good wage, given my occupation.
I think we are digressing from the original post here Relic, perhaps you would start a new thread, or has it already been done to death.

[The Relic]

Originally Posted by poppy

unfortunately, I think that all through history the bad is remembered rather than the good.
Ivan the Treble, Attila the Hun, Vlad the Impaler.
So sadly I think Adolf Hitler will be the one name remembered from the 20 century,
and holocaust day will ensure he is never forgotten.

I can't agree. As well as the heavy duty troublemakers history uses influential artists and scientists as mileposts: Leonardo, Galileo, Shakespeare, my mate Tim Dwyer, Newton, Dickens and so on.

So conceivably the twentieth century will also be remembered for its very rich crop of artists and scientists: Picasso, Gershwin, Einstein, Watson and Crick et al.