Will

I see that it has been recommended that School-leavers should be encouraged to swear an oath of allegiance to Queen and country, says ex-attorney general Lord Goldsmith, says it would give teenagers a sense of belonging.

This report was commissioned by Gordon Brown on British citizenship. I'm sick to death of hearing how our money is being wasted on pointless bloody research like this! If you want children to feel like they belong to this country, give them something to be proud of, and the problem will sort itself out!

This is nothing short of pathetic, personally I feel like I "belong" in this country a little less, every time I hear my money has been wasted on such nonsense!

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skinny

I didn't really understand when the pupils were meant to take this oath, basically because i dismissed it straight away. I see you say leavers Will. I think it would be too late at that stage in "kids" lives to instill the belonging these idiots with ties think it will achieve.

Such as Will?...I know that sounds blunt but i don't have the words to describe what people must have felt years ago when there was thousands of young people, teenagers, queuing up for enlistment to protect the country they were proud of and where they truly believed they belonged, kind of thing...or think of throwing a street party, which nine out of ten "kids" attended...so i won't try, I have no answers.


This is what you describe it as, but it is also a perfect example of how disconnected the so called clever people are from the general joe in the street.

social meltdown...oh, that doesn't exist, i forgot

Will

If I knew what could be done to make people proud of their country, I'd become and MP. I'll have to think about that one.

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skinny

That's my excuse get your own (smilies aint workin')

Bruv

It is a question without answer, "what makes you feel proud" ......that is.

These days we have bodies of people who talk in social phsyco babble about social inclusion, cultural diversity ect ect.
These days we are more socialy aware, and included, yet the fabric that holds us all together has evaporated, somewhere.
Back in the days when the King could rely on armies of men proud to defend our way of life, the very men that queued to enlist were part of a society riven with divisions of class and status, many were poor and kept poor by virtue of their position in the class system. There was no need back then to declare your pride or allegience to your betters, it was taken for granted. If you were lucky enough to survive the great war, you would return to your life down the pit proud in the knowledge you had preserved the masters wealth so he could filter some down to you.
These days it is society that is obligated to maintain the individual, people have rights, looking to the authorities to protect and keep them, without the connection that makes them part of that society.

The allegiance ceremony is just another "Idea" whispered about behind closed doors, and leaked to find out what people think.
It would be another "Exam" to pass with no real relevence to those that were forced to take it.

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skinny

"what makes you feel proud"

I take a bit of offence to your whole post Bruv, only a little bit, because i may have misunderstood it.

I take offence because my grandfather was a proud man who served in the Navy...I take offence when i think of those proud veterans stood at the cenotaph wearing a chest full of medals...it kinda makes me feel proud about the way England rallied together back in those days. I obviously can't speak from experience, but i can speak of the experiences i used to be told, and still get told today in my local Royal Naval club and British Legion...although i haven't been in the Naval' for quite a while, i am waiting for my membership for the Legion, some would wish that to be the Foreign Legion, but hey ho!!

My pal felt proud and shed a tear when his lad was paraded at Man cities ground for the youth team...but he has always been a soft barsteward.

You mention peoples rights...people do have rights but they don't look to authorities to uphold them, imo, the authorities layed down the ground rules and it is the devious wankers that are twisting, quite within thier "rights", the basic concept of human rights.

I am confusing myself now....