sybylyfyrysms

hey casp, i don't believe that you can't believe me.

i'm speaking from experience on this.
i speak from my heart.
i side with myself only.

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Blackgrass

I have only responded because of the comments made by the previous poster...but sometimes in life its a bit like `get behind me satan`...some people just like to argue for its sake rather than the ever attemting to think beyond that & you seem just like that!

Blackgrass

The whore `stigma` is at its fullest when faced with situations like this.
A prostitute which I have been for 30 years, enters the profession for a varity of complex reasons..some finiancial & some spiritual...neither is better nor worse than the other.
Prostitutes have been stained with attitudes of dirty, pox-ridden, even over-sexed low-lifes as sid has already said.
Would you want your daughter to be one...my answer is no ideally, & before anyone raises their eyebrows in amazement, no its not because of shame or any other factor but the `whore stigma`...one day prostitutes like myself will `again` reclaim honour & social acceptance. mybe not in my life but thanks to other women like myself who are trying to `change` the mind & views of a society that is sexually repressed `still`...but as people get kinky,( bdsm & fetish is get more popular than any other persuit/see web) ,growing & exploring their own sexuality...they will mature sexually too....along with sex spirituality....this will be one of the main doors, through which prostitution will find its legal status in society.

Prostitution has the right to be as socially acceptable as any other profession...it will include all its dynamics ie: psychology, history of the divine whore & womens roots, sexuality/ its roots, erotica/visuals & the creative aspects of ourselves.
Every woman has an aspect of man `within` & every man has a `woman` within...some embrace the entirety of themselves, whilst others have a continuous personal inner battle with the opposite `other`....these aspects women, like myself are aware of & work with that....tell me of others who even know of its existance? Not many I can tell you....most never get beyond the genitalia & have sex `superficially` all their lives...never feeling totally at one with themselves, but never quite knowing, why or what it is.
Their is so much prostitution could offer society, besides the obvious 7 the obvious is not always what it seems.....we live in a world of sexual violence & that is why some feminists become so anti-male because it seems their percieved enemy...but the truth as always is much more complex, yet simple in its structure, once you know.....we are afraid for our daughters....& this should not be because of prostitution, but becuase of the affects of ignorance & sexual repression, lack of true education & fear of our own desires.
Two things sell in this world..one is sex & the other is fear...some people even buy sex to create fear...if this is done with an experienced dominatirx, for example, the fear they face becomes neutralised, once faced; rather than supressed & it explodes...see what I am gettying at sid?

Blackgrass

Evil girls plying their trade...what century do you live in? Are you looking for the `madonna` symbol? Are you one of these people who think whores are bad girls but if they have children & fit the image of perfection they are madonna`s...tell me not, please!

Blackgrass

I have stated before that the prostitution that most see/the visible is usually the roughest too, insomuch..street workers etc...but that itself is part of layers..you only actually see the tip of the sex industry...because sex is only visible to the part you want to see & nothing more..because sex is the sex industry & sex has great fears within many..some are in denial..but its there.

Now if your talking about victims..well victims are everywher, not just in the profession..victim can a state of mind evident in any profession or non-profession, its astate of humanness.

The Relic

Actually, he has far more convincing arguments than yours, and you have in no way replied to him beyond some meaningless doubletalk about him "creating fear", a rather bizarre and futile attempt to depict him as a villain. Why and how did his statement create fear? You've never explained.

Whilst it can be said that prostitution does women in general a favour in that it can act as a "safety valve" by giving men who might otherwise sexually assault women access to sex, it is by definition demeaning and degrading to womankind in general. It doesn't take more than a cursory reading of Freud to understand that the greater proportion of that minority of men who use prostitutes enjoy the sense of power it gives them, the feeling of dominance they get by paying "dirty" women to objectify and subject themselves. "Dirty" isn't my adjective, by the way, but the one that still comes up time and again in interviews with punters, just as old Sigmund would expect.

I suppose even now you're framing an argument about how it is the prostitutes who are in a position of power in that they are exploiting and controlling the punters, but even if that were the case the fact is that it is not the image the trade generates. Rather, it is of women surrendering their dignity by objectifying and subjecting themselves, and far from being empowering to women it is therefore palpably retrogressive.

But I'm a man and one of the enemy, so I don't know what I'm talking about. That I'm repeating much of the burden a conversation I had with the two women of this house, one of whom is a social psychologist and both of whom are feminists, and that I am reflecting their opinions as well as my own is irrelevant.

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Sid

[quote=Blackgrass]So what spiritual reasons are these? You wanted to free yourself from the sexual domination of just one man?


I thought it was a worthwhile profession?
So tell me when prostitutes were respected members of society, as opposed to something the rich used to use in days gone by.
How are you changing our minds? By getting paid to beat someone tied to a chair, or whatever sick tools you use in your trade.

What a load of crap! History of the Divine Whore?
I thought you said you weren't on some sort of crusade?
Is to be divine not putting yourself in the realms of the Gods?

I thought you peddled this stuff?

I thought that was your line of work. I always thought sex was something to do with love, but then again, I haven't been making money out of it for the past thirty years.
Can you just do me a favour though. I'd love to see a picture of a 50 year old woman dressed in plastic beating some old pervert. It'd better than seeing an old Monty Python sketch.
Go on. You seem to be proud of your work so just show us all how good you were at your job.
You show me yours and I'll show you mine. Job that is.
That doesn't even deserve a comment, although it's going to get one.
You are trying to insinuate I have some sort of sexual frustration because I don't visit prostitutes.
Does, or did, your dad visit them?
Maybe your nephew, uncle, or any of your family members used your services, or friends of yours of course.
Does using a prostitute make you normal and sexually free, or sad, desperate and perverted?
You know what I think. At least you admitted you wouldn't want a daughter of yours to be a pro. But then you go on to say what a good service you're doing.
I was going to say maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick, but that might bring fond memories of work flooding back.
They were the good old days, eh. Some sad old perv getting a frill out of being beaten by you.
A real career goal for any young girl.

Bruv

Blackgrass said.......

"Evil girls plying their trade...what century do you live in? Are you looking for the `madonna` symbol? Are you one of these people who think whores are bad girls but if they have children & fit the image of perfection they are madonna`s...tell me not, please!"

You tend to pick and choose what you reply to.....the comment above was about a part of a longer piece, which if read in context explains my point of view clearly.
But to reiterate, most "working girls" do so without choice.I am looking at this worldwide not in the confines of our so called advanced western society.Most are compelled by circumstances to do whatever they can to survive, in a market place there will always be demand for their services and hence they can eat tomorrow.
In our western society we can make more choices, some girls offer more than basic crude relief ( I use these terms advisedly) but a more consumer friendly package, not only for their clients physical release but as a "service" to mankind.Your claim that the proffession solves some phsycological needs might be true, but that is not the aim of the girls when entering the trade, they may come to this conclusion after some years experience.
There are many types of females "in the trade" ranging from "weekenders" who want some extra income, "full time desperates" who need whatever income they can raise for various reasons, "Classy types" that can sustain a lifestyle beyond their dreams who can pick and choose clients, even wives who only "come across" for extra house keeping, and of course "Liberated" women who believe they have the choice to use their sexuality, who enjoy their power over mans base urges.And many other variations.
In this mixed work force there are some that hate themselves and clients, some love their clients and the attention they get, and some who analyse their own and their clients motives into a lofty meaningful dogma to rationalise their lives.
Man is and always has been sexually aggressive, not necessarily physically or violently aggressive.Man is an animal despite his lofty ambitions, and when push comes to shove these animal passions rise to the top.They say "The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world" to paraphrase "The body that sates man's needs rules the world" and prostitutes know this....."A mans brains are in his pants" another trite saying with a lot of truth ask any Prime Minister or President.
At the end of the day.........prostitutes are selling them selves to the highest bidder......some make it sound like a calling, a vocation,but it is a simple economic transaction............dont make it sound like its a public service.
Why Blackgrass do YOU mention Madonna......no one else did?
A little pretentsious dont you think?

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Sid

[quote=Bruv]Blackgrass said.......

"Evil girls plying their trade...what century do you live in? Are you looking for the `madonna` symbol? Are you one of these people who think whores are bad girls but if they have children & fit the image of perfection they are madonna`s...tell me not, please!"



You seem to know a lot about this sort of thing, methinks.



You don't seem to get the rules of the game here. The women are allowed to interpret anything you say in any way they like, but you're not allowed to do the same. It's called sexual equality, or trying not to look such a prick when in reality your just a two-bit whore.

sybylyfyrysms

sid, i think it's sad you're reducing this potentially informative thread to barefaced insults. please retract.

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