ID Cards

**Will** · 11-19-2006, 08:48 AM

I know we've thrashed this one out before, but I'd like to have it again all the same, as it's a vital issue for this forum.

I am personally very much against ID cards, instead of listing my reasons why, first I'd like to see if there's anyone in favour of them.

Sweetpea · 11-19-2006, 11:08 AM

Me, want them now. Yes I know all the drawbacks (I think), but I have had trouble proving who I am in the past ans would very much like to see them become a reality. So does hubby who regularly travels around the globe.

Bruv · 11-19-2006, 10:37 PM

I think I know the arguements against, but believe the arguements for are just as powerful....I am very undecided.

skinny · 11-20-2006, 10:25 AM

I say no.

bugsy · 11-20-2006, 10:26 AM

I am totally against this for all my reasons previously stated.....unless its a card without biometric/rfid/big brother facilities.

**Will** · 11-20-2006, 12:26 PM

ID cards in themselves aren't the problem, as has been pointed out they are only a collection of data about us that is already available, except the biometric infomation in most cases.

People are more concerned about how these cards can be used. The 'Claim' by the government is that they will be used as a way of combatting terroism. This has been proved to be a comtemptable and poor justification, as it simply won't. Another justification is that it will help people prove who they are, something as a person who has travelled the globe on no less than 4 occasions and visited over 30 countries. I can confirm that I have never had any problems proving who I am with something as simple as a passport.

So many people are asking just what is the justification in ID cards? Why should we fork out the billions it's going to cost to impliment when there are no obvious benefits?

On a seperate line of thinking, ID cards are also the next logical step in a regime that wants to control it's citizens. With ID cards it would be quite easy to control people's movements, by forcing them to carry the cards. People could easily be denied access to certain areas, they could have their every movement tracked by making ID cards required for all transactions and accesss to certain buildings. Equally they could be denied all this on a whim.
The government is not here to control us, we are here to control the government.

"When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson

bugsy · 11-20-2006, 03:28 PM

its a matter of time until the id cards get hacked and this fiasco is dropped for chip implants..the next logical step.
Many people dont want to look down the road we have come or are going to.
It frightens many into passive submission.

The constant brainwashing by the media helps to set the scene.

Even thought this governemnt have been constantly petitioned by groups like no2id and others, they refuse to accept what we all already know....that we are heading into "dark waters" ....if you pardon the pun

bugsy · 11-20-2006, 04:15 PM

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/t...name_page.html

Smiler · 11-20-2006, 07:40 PM

big bro knows where you phone is, scans text, email, calls ect...., see us via town centre cctv, traces you car via ANPR, any amount over 9 grand changing hands genarates a money laundering report, you bank a/c or your credit card will show where you go & where you spend.....

we once thought we had a welfare state from cradle to grave but its more like a surveillance state

**Casper** · 03-15-2007, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruv

I think I know the arguements against, but believe the arguements for are just as powerful....I am very undecided.

Which arguments for ID cards are powerful?