America funding terrorism - Page 2

poppy · 01-28-2008, 09:56 PM

right and lets not forget Cuba and possibly Granada though that was eventually a full scale illegal invasion.

Bruv · 01-28-2008, 10:41 PM

Taken from another forum.

Part of first post.................

Indonesia's former dictator Suharto died yesterday. At least half a million people were killed during his 32 years in power, but he was never brought to justice.

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Let's be slightly more precise in assigning fault - he took power because the CIA backed him and for no other reason. The Indonesia coup was purely US-inspired, US-backed and US-directed.

There's four Washington Post articles from 1990 that lay out a lot of the gory detail, under the bylines of Stephen S. Rosenfeld and Kathy Kadane:

Indonesia 1965: Year of U.S. Irrelevance Stephen S. Rosenfeld; The Washington Post Jul 20, 1990; a.19;

Indonesia 1965: Year of Living Cynically? Stephen S. Rosenfeld; The Washington Post Jul 13, 1990; a.21;

Indonesia's Fight Against Communism, 1965 The Washington Post Jun 2, 1990; a.18;

U.S. Officials' Lists Aided Indonesian Bloodbath in '60s Kadane, Kathy; The Washington Post; May 21, 1990; A5;

As Bertrand Russell said the year after the coup, "in four months, five times as many people died in Indonesia as in Vietnam in twelve years", and it was a US bloodbath. Suharto was the local guy on the podium, it's people like William Colby and Henry Kissinger who bear the responsibility.

poppy · 01-28-2008, 10:46 PM

but that's OK they go god on their side. evil conniving grrrgrrrrrr

Bruv · 01-28-2008, 10:49 PM

Theres more.....
Clever bloke.....I think....

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The 1990 reports in the Washington Post were denied at the time and not vindicated from official CIA records until 2001 (see the report of the National Security Archive. Here's one of the smoking guns they focus on:

Telegram From the Embassy in Indonesia to the Department of State

Djakarta, December 2, 1965. For Assist. Sec. Bundy from Amb Green. Ref: Deptel 708, Dec 1, 1965.2

1. This is to confirm my earlier concurrence that we provide Malik with fifty million rupiahs requested by him for the activities of the Kap-Gestapu movement. [1-1/2 lines of source text not declassified]

2. The Kap-Gestapu activities to date have been important factor in the army's program, and judging from results, I would say highly successful. This army-inspired but civilian-staffed action group is still carrying burden of current repressive efforts targeted against PKI, particularly in Central Java.

A. Malik is not in charge of the Kap-Gestapu movement. He is, however, one of the key civilian advisers and promoters of the movement. There is no doubt whatsoever that Kap-Gestapu's activity is fully consonant with and coordinated by the army. We have had substantial intelligence reporting to support this.

B. I view this contribution as a means of enhancing Malik's position within the movement. As one of the key civilians, he is responsible for finding funds to finance its activities. Without our contribution Kap-Gestapu will of course continue. On the other hand, there is no doubt that they need money. The latter, despite inflation, is in tight supply, and the comparatively small sum proposed will help considerably.

C. [1-1/2 lines of source text not declassified] Our willingness to assist him in this manner will, I think, represent in Malik's mind our endorsement of his present role in the army's anti-PKI efforts, and will promote good cooperating relations between him and army.

D. The chances of detection or subsequent revelation of our support in this instance are as minimal as any black bag operation can be. [2 lines of source text not declassified]

There is still more....next post.....

Bruv · 01-28-2008, 10:53 PM

Theres more

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Two newly declassified documents from the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library, released to the National Security Archive, shed light on the Ford administration’s relationship with President Suharto of Indonesia during 1975. Of special importance is the record of Ford’s and Kissinger’s meeting with Suharto in early December 1975. The document shows that Suharto began the invasion knowing that he had the full approval of the White House. Both of these documents had been released in heavily excised form some years ago, but with Suharto now out of power, and following the collapse of Indonesian control over East Timor, the situation has changed enough that both documents have been released in their entirety.

Other documents found among State Department records at the National Archives elucidate the inner workings of U.S. policy toward the Indonesian crisis during 1975 and 1976. Besides confirming that Henry Kissinger and top advisers expected an eventual Indonesian takeover of East Timor, archival material shows that the Secretary of State fully understood that the invasion of East Timor involved the "illegal" use of U.S.-supplied military equipment because it was not used in self-defense as required by law.

That transcript of the meeting between Kissinger, Ford and Suharto just before the East Timor invasion is discussed in Christopher Hitchens' article in The Nation Magazine, February 18, 2002, "Kissinger's Green Light to Suharto":

Kissinger, who does not find room to mention East Timor even in the index of his three-volume memoir, has more than once stated that the invasion came to him as a surprise, and that he barely knew of the existence of the Timorese question. He was obviously lying. But the breathtaking extent of his mendacity has only just become fully apparent, with the declassification of a secret State Department telegram [this is Document 4 in the previous hyperlink: spot]. The document, which has been made public by the National Security Archive at George Washington University, contains a verbatim record of the conversation among Suharto, Ford and Kissinger. "We want your understanding if we deem it necessary to take rapid or drastic action," Suharto opened bluntly. "We will understand and will not press you on the issue;' Ford responded. "We understand the problem you have and the intentions you have." Kissinger was even more emphatic, but had an awareness of the possible "spin" problems back home. "It is important that whatever you do succeeds quickly," he instructed the despot. "We would be able to influence the reaction if whatever happens, happens after we return.... If you have made plans, we will do our best to keep everyone quiet until the President returns home." Micromanaging things for Suharto, he added: "The President will be back on Monday at 2 PM Jakarta time. We understand your problem and the need to move quickly but I am only saying that it would be better if it were done after we returned." As ever, deniability supersedes accountability.

Bruv · 01-28-2008, 10:54 PM

Here you are.....

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The entire duration of the Indonesian occupation of East Timor, from 1975 until the pull-out in 1999, coincided with continuous Western arms supply and training to the Suharto's regime in Indonesia. There's a detailed description of that trade here starting...

Negotiations began between an Australian company and Indonesia on extracting the vast oil resources on both the island itself and in the Timor Gap, the seabed between Timor and Australia which is just of the coast of East Timor.

By December 1989, the negotiations were finally settled with a joint agreement to exploit the Timor Sea, the Timor Gap Treaty, involving Australian, British and U.S. companies, among others. A month after the Dili massacre, the Australian government alone approved with Indonesia eleven oil production contracts for exploitation of a jointly controlled area of the sea

[...] Taking into account the political and diplomatic support that the mentioned States gave to the Indonesian Government and the supply of planes and other war equipment used to fight the Timorese Resistance and the covering up that they did of the crimes committed against the People of East Timor, we can say that it were the United States, Australia, the United Kingdom, Vatican, Japan and other powers who invaded and occupied the territory through the Indonesian intermediary. The soldiers were Indonesian but the interests and the support were mainly those of the Western powers.

So, yes, the 1991 massacre was the one glimpse of high publicity into decades of state terrorism and it made the international news because of on the spot reporting which was smuggled out past Australian censorship attempts:

The massacre was witnessed by two American journalists — Amy Goodman and Allan Nairn (who were also attacked) — and caught on videotape by Max Stahl, who was filming undercover for Yorkshire Television in the UK. The camera crew managed to smuggle the video footage to Australia. They gave it to Saskia Kouwenberg, a Dutch journalist to avoid it being seized and confiscated by the Australian authorities, who had been tipped off by Indonesia and subjected the camera crew to a strip-search when they arrived in Darwin. The video footage was used in the First Tuesday documentary In Cold Blood: The Massacre of East Timor, shown on ITV in the UK in January 1992, as well as numerous other, more recent documentaries.

poppy · 01-28-2008, 10:58 PM

I had completely forgotten east timor, the lists are endless so may grubby fingers in so many dirty pies