Sid

I don't know how, in the case of the Black ex-para, he could be said to have died unlawfully yet no officer was charged with anything. If this is not a miscarriage of justice, what is?

This is what the IPCC found, even though the officers involved refused to answer questions. An absolute disgrace!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...106260,00.html

Five officers were cleared of Mr Alder’s manslaughter and misconduct in 2002, even though an inquest had concluded that he was unlawfully killed.

Another amazing thing about the case is that he'd been released from hospital almost completely uninjured yet on his arrival at the station he was unconscious and choking on his own blood

He choked to death on his own blood and vomit as he lay on the floor of the police station without moving for 11 minutes. A controversial BBC TV programme showed CCTV footage taken in the police station of Mr Alder dying with his trousers around his ankles.

David Courtney

They should be charged with murder, what they did was discusting.

Will

There as also the issue of an unidentified officer making monkey noises, although it was likely it was to do with the man who died, it can't be proven. This is definately a case for manslaughter, if not murder.

Sid

David Courtney

Yeah, that video was probably perpatrated by the liberal government in order to slander our honest, hard-working lads in the constabulary.

Bruv

This is a tragic death, and I will not try to defend what happened.
Every weekend night, all over the country, in large towns and small ones, the police are called to incidents where a normally decent person swallows too much alchohol and acts like an idiot.
If anybody has had the misfortune to have to deal with a person who is the worse for drink, who cannot stand up, who is loud and objectionable, humorous one minute, aggressive the next.Who is obviously a danger to themselves and anybody else they might happen upon if they are left to wander the streets,either by stumbling across roads or just being "friendly"
This death was the result of a sequence of tragic events.
The monkey noises were abhorrant, the crime was the neglect, every copper has become so used to their "guests" abusing them, having to be controlled forcefully, then just falling into a state of unconciousness.The man should have been watched, monitored carefully while in police care.
I have no sympathy with the individuals involved, who acted badly in the extreme.
But it is a fact that ninehundred and nintynine times out of a thousand the guy would have ended up in a cell and be watched throughout the night, leaving the next day, and thanking his hosts.In this instance he never made it to the cells, and noone took responsibility before he was "Booked in"
It is problem of today that the police deal with most of the time OK.
This time, complacency and a couple of bored ethnically challenged policemen caused a death, or failed to aid a guy in their care.
I would not call it murder, it could be manslaughter by neglect.

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Sid

Bruv

Sid said
"The same laws should apply to the police force as they do for the public, but they don't."

But they do they do.....the problem being....... they also police themselves.
Refusal to answer questions shows embarrasment at a lack of proffesional standards....so I suppose a sort of guilt, but not criminal guilt......in my opinion.

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had_enough

Right............my views on this.
I doubt we will ever know the full story behind this, but one must realize that they do have a job to do and yes some of their "customers", do play up a lot and even pretend to be injured sothat they can leggit out of there....
Having said that, the bloke must of resisted very violently and ofcourse was subdued.
HOWEVER, his death is imho, possibly a case for manslaughter...but not being there and knowing the two sides of the coin, I dont think anyone can make a valid call on this.

Sid

Knowing what Paras are like I can agree with you there, for a change.
But he was left on the floor, obviously having breathing difficulties, and he died. In any other circumstance there would be criminal prosecution. Just because he was in a police station and had resisted arrest doesn't make it right to leave him there to die no matter what had gone before, and those police officers making monkey noises sum it up. They saw him as a bad-ass nigger who gave them trouble. They should be charged with something, not given early retirement and paid of. It's like, let's hush this up, pay them off, and then we're not responsible because they no longer belong to the police force.

For Bruv. If there was an altercation outside your house and you'd beat someone into submission, dragged them into your house, and they died on your living room floor, do you not think there would be criminal procedures brought against you?
Of course there would. The same should go for the officers in question. They let a man die in front of them, while making monkey noises. They should, and would be charged with manslaughter or murder if that had been a Pakistani in a white man's house who'd been left to die, if they were civilians that is.