Creationism v's Evolution - Page 2

Bruv · 04-12-2006, 12:05 AM

"There are more questions than answers"

Does it really matter?
Man has involved himself in the "Evolution" of many domestic animals and plants.
So what if both theories hold part of the truth....creationism helped by evolution? Man has now the power to affect his future on earth, for better or worse.All our efforts should go into securing the future rather than seeking to find why or where or when or how we arrived at this point.

Sid · 04-12-2006, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruv

"There are more questions than answers"

Does it really matter?
Man has involved himself in the "Evolution" of many domestic animals and plants.
So what if both theories hold part of the truth....creationism helped by evolution? Man has now the power to affect his future on earth, for better or worse.All our efforts should go into securing the future rather than seeking to find why or where or when or how we arrived at this point.

What crap! That's the biggest load I've heard in a long time. Even Mr. Enough's views are worth more of the little effort it took to read that tripe. I'd rather read something with substance, go figure!

Bruv · 04-12-2006, 01:24 AM

..........So you dont agree?

OK god created the world ........time has made changes.
End of.........

Better?

Sid · 04-12-2006, 01:10 PM

Maybe I was a little strong in my opinion. Good response though, it made me chuckle.

I still don't agree though. It seems the most unlikely beginning our planet could have had. For some entity to have molded our planet something like modelling clay, putting all the plants and animals on it like a kid playing with toy animals, is the most ridiculous idea possible to imagine. But that's only my opinion.

had_enough · 04-12-2006, 02:05 PM

I did say that they d cannot say for certain. They simply cannot give a 100% analysis.....but even 200,000 years is far less than millions.....
The problem with these "gifted" people, who sit and try to quantify evolution, is that the sooner or later run into a brick wall.

If you can believe in life on another planet, why not that someone created everything.

**Will** · 04-12-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid

Maybe I was a little strong in my opinion. Good response though, it made me chuckle.

I still don't agree though. It seems the most unlikely beginning our planet could have had. For some entity to have molded our planet something like modelling clay, putting all the plants and animals on it like a kid playing with toy animals, is the most ridiculous idea possible to imagine. But that's only my opinion.

Why is that so hard to believe? Our distant ancestors would have never imagined that we could countrol fire or electricity, or that we could create gigantic structures, that we could create machines that can do our thinking for us. Who's to say one day that we won't have the power to create universes and everything in them? Who's to say that some distant race of creatures haven't done this already?

Sid · 04-12-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Forum Admin Will

Why is that so hard to believe? Our distant ancestors would have never imagined that we could countrol fire or electricity, or that we could create gigantic structures, that we could create machines that can do our thinking for us. Who's to say one day that we won't have the power to create universes and everything in them? Who's to say that some distant race of creatures haven't done this already?

Mmmm....A very thought provoking idea.

I have thought along these lines before, but for those creators to have the ability to pluck individuals after they've died and give them eternal life is beyond the imagination of most, I would have thought.

It brings me back to the question; what was before the big bang?

The Relic · 04-12-2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Forum Admin Will

I don't believe in creationism, and I tend to have serious doubts about God. But at the same time I don't rule out the possibility of God, I think even many scientists who'd tend to call themselves atheists, would admit that it would be idiotic to rule out something completely when it's an area we frankly know nothing about. In other words, they may agree that the God that exists in any of our many religions doesn't exist. But to rule out the idea that the universe was created by some conscious being? It would be a poor scientist who ruled out the idea without any rational reason.

A good scientist working according to scientific method would rule it out on immediately. Scientific analysis forces a conclusion that in order for an "intelligent being" to exist and manipulate space, time and matter, then space, time, matter and thus "creation" would have to pre-exist in order for creation to take place. Which is just shite, denying the evidence they do have of a universe expanding from a singularity.

Sid, Hawking is more interested in continuing to sell books in America than coming out and saying what he actually believes. He slipped up in A Brief History Of Time by saying, "So long as the universe had a beginning, we could suppose it had a creator [the cosmological argument]. But if the universe is really completely self- contained, having no boundary or edge, it would have neither beginning nor end: it would simply be. What place, then, for a creator?" That drew much bile from creationists, so ever since he's done a lot of doubletalk in which he hints at a unified theory of everything which will expose the true nature of God - which, examined coldly, is really nothing more than labelling the singularities of universal mechanisms themselves as "God."

Sid · 04-12-2006, 10:18 PM

I read something about Hawking's retraction of the above statement. He happened to make it when he was going to see the pope, I wonder why?

He probably just used a load of waffle to say something he didn't really mean sound like something the pope wanted to hear without actually saying anything, after all, he was a doddering old fool at the time of the meeting, the pope that is.

And I agree with his main aim is making money, it's just that it's more likely to be at the request, or more precisely put, behest, of his younger girlfriend/carer/money grabber.

had_enough · 04-13-2006, 09:32 AM

This makes one wonder why there is a dramatic move worldwide to block any teaching of creationalism in schools and universities. Is it perhaps because it might expose the myth that evolution is not the 100% truth we are all brainwashed into believing?